If, "already interpreted" is a prerequisite of there being such a thing as "the world", and minds do the job of interpreting, how would you dismiss the proposition that the mind also creates the world, being prior in time to the world? — Metaphysician Undercover
Experience exists within the brain. Distal objects exist outside the body. Therefore distal objects (and their properties) do not exist within experience.
The first premise is supported by neuroscience. The second premise is true by definition. The conclusion follows. — Michael
If I removed the thinking subject then the whole corporeal world would have to go away, since this world is nothing but the appearance in sensibility of, and a kind of presentations of, ourselves as subject. — Critique of Pure Reason, A383
s usual, you, an order-apologist demand certainty or 'determinable' right and wrong. Too bad that that is not the way reality works. You are allowed to demand these things but you will never be realized in that demand. You have to take truth in part on faith. — Chet Hawkins
"I" references "self", which makes no sense if there isn't "not self". You cannot identify what is you and what is not, if there isn't anything besides you. It can't be done. Distinctions can only be made with space and time. — Bob Ross
My point was crystal clear. — Corvus
And I maintain that this is basically in conformity with Kant's philosophy, insofar as Kant maintained that empirical realism and transcendental idealism are not in conflict (per these excerpts.) — Wayfarer
Do you really believe that the question of whether or not we're hallucinating(whether or not the tree is really there) comes before belief?
All doubt concerning the veracity of our vision is belief based. — creativesoul
The way I read it, Kastrup is not saying to 'mistrust our own senses', but to recognise, as I say in the OP, the way in which the mind creates (or generates, or manifests) the world, which is then accorded an intrinsic reality which it doesn't possess (thereby overlooking the role of the subject in the process). — Wayfarer
My point being however that I don't think removing the words know and knowledge is either necessary or effective. — Bylaw
Abuse is acceptable as a risk and then must be confronted by challenge.
Just because abuse exists is no reason to crawl under a rock and pretend to half-truths (your little t truth).
The big T truth is the only thing in life that really matters. — Chet Hawkins
Yes, well, what we call reality is not reality. Physical reality is a shortsighted version of the actual reality, the capital T True reality.
We are embedded within the capital T reality. Its awareness and union is the only real goal of existence.
So metaphysics is a greater effort, and thus more worthy than physics is or could ever be. This truth does not diminish physics in any way. It shows it proper placement in actual value. — Chet Hawkins
I get it. I understand the (your) position, Thank you for starting this thread as, to me, it has been fun and good work and clearly something people are willing to engage on. That's what such a forum is about! — Chet Hawkins
I don't share the optimism that changing the words will make much difference. And people assert things as if they are certain all the time without using the verb know or the noun knowledge. — Bylaw
"Redundant" is n interesting choice of terms. So, do we agree that belief is necessary for seeing the tree in the front yard?? It goes without saying that seeing a tree in the yard includes believing that something is there, doesn't it? That necessary presupposition is what makes the terminological use redundant, right? — creativesoul
Firstly, if direct realism is true then scientific realism is true, and if scientific realism is true then direct realism is false. Therefore direct realism is false given that it entails a contradiction. — Michael
I didn't say that we don't have reliable knowledge, only that we don't have direct perceptual knowledge. — Michael
If direct realism is true then scientific realism is true, and if scientific realism is true then direct realism is false. Therefore, direct realism is false. — Michael
I agree it should be a general rule to avoid torture, but there are hypothetical cases where it would seem to be the moral thing to do. Shouldn't the government carve out exceptions for those cases? — RogueAI
What do you mean by "our perceptions are of distal objects" when you say it is false?
— Luke
I don't say that it's false. I have been at pains in this discussion (and others over the past few years) to explain that trying to address the epistemological problem of perception in these terms is a conceptual confusion. It's an irrelevant argument about grammar. — Michael
And its this that makes his ideas distasteful. We've had enough of dogmatism masquerading as liberalism. His confusion is gross. — Banno
Absolute truth would refer, in your terminology, to anything that is considered true with absolute certainty; and 'absolute certainty' would refer to a level of certainty which cannot be doubted legitimately (e.g., a tautology) as opposed to what one doesn't have good reasons to doubt. — Bob Ross
Until we are perfect, objective in understanding, until we do 'know'; we have only varying degrees of awareness and of course, belief. — Chet Hawkins
I see the tree in the yard but do not believe it's there. — creativesoul
That people might do things they know to be stupid? Just as people might do things they know to be immoral? — Leontiskos
No. The moral status of self-defense is an age-old issue. It is not a de facto non-moral issue. — Leontiskos